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BT JOHN M. STAHL. I must confess that I did not know until an hour ago that Dr. Robinson is a hu: morist. But his letter in the Farmer of July 20tli shows him to be a very funny man. I do not begrudge your readers their quiet smiles as they seo the Dr. with coat and collar off, bathed in perspiration setting up straw men of his own making and then throwing big chunks of rhetoric at them, and when he has knocked them over exclaiming, "Stahl made those things and I havo laid them out with the voice of the people, for I am the apostle of popular opinion!" When one of my sentences gets in his way the Dr. proceeds to throw around it. I did say that salaries too small may be an evil and that insufficient compensation will bring poor service. The Dr. does not disprove these propositions, he does not even deny them; will he deny and dis prove them ? If, as the Dr. says, tho tax payer can not imagine a salary too small, the tax payer's imagination is certainly as poor as the Dr.'s is great. But I fear this assertion of the Dr. is an exaggeration, something to which he is prone. . The Dr. admits that my proposition that often the best man cannot take an oflice is true. I said often; the Dr. Bays in many instances. What is he lighting about? He goes on to say that it is his observation that the poorest men fill county offices best. I am not certain that this will bo true in all cases; but I am of the opin ion that the average of the honesty of poor men is above that of rich men. In my ar- ticles I said nothing against the honesty of poor men. In fact, I argued that salaries should be so large that poor and honest men could take offices, in preference to their going to the rich or to the dishonest who would misuse the offices for financial gain. Hence I would like to know what the Dr. Is throwing at. It can be only one of his straw men. The Dr. asserts the honesty of farmers elected to office. Good. But I wrote nothing against the honesty of farmers. Again, what can the Dr. be throwing at? Only one of the straw men he has set up. Great fun, isn't it. Dr? Straw men are knocked over so easily. Because I said the best lawyers easily have an income of §50,000 per year, the Dr. puts a threat on his handsome countenance and asks severely if he is to understand that I mean all lawyers that make §50,000 per year do it because they possess a greater amount of legal talent than the judges of the Supreme Court? Why, no, Dr; you are not to understand any such thing. I said nothing of the sort and nothing of the sort can be logically deduced from what I did say. Another of your straw men. In answer to your question, Dr., who the lawyers are going to serve best, those that pay them a high salary and watch them closely, or those who pay them a low salary and don't watch |them at all, I say they will serve the first named best, and I say that in my articles, and because they would serve best those that paid best, I wanted the people to pay them better. Are you prepared to maintain that they will serve best those that pay them the least. If you are not prepared to maintain this, what are you throwing at? Not even a straw man. I say that the corporations pay for the best legal talent and get it; you dispute this point blankj and seek to give the impression that corporations employ mediocre attorneys. I am perfectly willing to leave this to be decided by the records of suits in which corporations appear on one side and the people on the other, and by the good sense, general intelligence and special knowledge of fees or salaries paid rporation attorneys, possessed by our readers. You say the people ask high salaried officials to take less money, unless the services rendered are equivalent to the salary received. Well, that agrees perfectly with what I said. What are you throwing at, Dr., another straw man? But it is needless for me to go farther with this, and space forbids. Let me say to the Dr., however, that he may be right in his assertion that what I have written does not accord with public sentiment at this time. I did not write to please the clamor in certain quarters, nor to win applause. I wrote sincerely and honestly, and wrote what I believed to be true, and I did not hesitate to put it into print. Quite often what I have said has been denounced at the time, but time has vindicated me in every case. I do not hesitate to assert, what I asserted in my articles, that nearly all ofthe multitudinous minor offices carry salaries too largo, while some of the comparatively very few high official positions carry salaries too small; and that the people lose in both cases. In conclusion the Dr. says my plan of beginning the work of reform at home, working from the bottom toward the top, is impracticable. He believes in beginning at the top. On this point of difference I am content to rest upon the experience of mankind. The readers of history will decide in my favor. A discussion of taxes and salaries will do much good, while a personal passage of arms can hardly be of interest or value if continued. Hence, while holding myself free to discuss taxes and salaries, in the matter of a personal controversy the Dr. may now have the field all to himself. Quincy, 111. a m ■ Willammette Valley, Oregon. Editors Indiana Farmer: Thinking that a few lines from the Willammette Valley, Oregon, might be appreciated by your readers, with your permission I will try and give them a few items. The Willammette Valley is the longest and most productive valley on the Pacific coast between Mexico and British Columbia. The products are various, including wheat, oats, barley and rye. All these grow to perfection; nowhere have we ever seen the berry so large and plump. A shrunken or uneven grain is never found. That is accounted for upon the fact that we have cool damp weather for our grain to fully mature and ripen; about the time harvest commences rains cease and we never have any wheat become bleached or damaged. All our wheat is graded No. 1. No No. 2 wheat is ever raised in this valley. The average yield is about 20 bushels while many good farmers get 30 to 40 bushels per acre. As a fruit growing country the Willammette Valley is nowhere equaled. This is attested by many of our large grain farms being cut up and sold to fruit growers, many men who have been engaged in fruit growing in California are now coming to this valley where a superior fruit, both in size and quality can be produced. . Oregon's natural resources are unbounded. The coal, iron and lumber of themselves will make of Oregon one of the foremost States in the union. The mountains abound in the precious metals and new mines are constantly being opened*. This valley is a good stock country. Our mild winters require but little extra feed and almost every"farm is well watered with fine mountain streams and stock is usually freo from disease. We have insects of no kind to destroy crops, and they never fail in this valley to grow a crop every year. Men who are seeking a mild, healthful climate will find any port of the Willammette Valley a good place to come to. Yet men in the East who are doing well had better be slow in making a change as this is not a paradise altogether, as some would have you believe. . E. C. Minton. Salem, Oregon, July 3rd. Keep an Account. Editors Indiana Farmer: Everybody should keep an accountbook, and note down important events, especially money paid on notes, or otherwise. Keep a handy day book to note down minor payments, and one especially for larger sums. It would often save much trouble. I know of a rather distressing case happening lately. There was a settlement of heirs a few years ago. All seemed to be settled satisfactorily. Lately, for some cause, one of the heirs is accused of owing a note of $100, and it was hinted that he made away with the note, though he is sure the note was paid fifteen or more years ago, and can prove it by one witness. Still, how consoling it would be if the accused could produce a neat account book, with a plain and complete statement of facts. He would feel compensated for the time spent in putting down accounts for a score of years. Farmers, keep an account of important transactions with everybooy, especially with relations; it will often save much trouble. Ripley Co. J. B. —We want to add our endorsement to friend Rennet's plea. It is an easy thing to jot down items of expense, agreements, appointments, etc., in a pocket memorandum, and any one who has kept such a book from year to year will testify to the fact that it pays many times over for the little time and trouble. We have kept one for many years, and it has been a great satisfaction to us in many ways.— [J. G. K.] Abolish the Lottery Business. Editors Indiana Farmer: In his message of July 29th, 1890, to Congress, the President says: "Severe and effective legislation should be promptly enacted to enable the post office department to purge the mails of all letters, newspapers and circulars relating to the business of lotteries. But how could the department, or rather the various postmasters, learn just what letters related to the lottery business? Would the law have to allow the opening of letters? If so, a vast number not relating to the business would necessarily be opened. But people would not submit to this—Letters addressed to lottery companies as such could easijy be known of course and be sent to the dead letter office, but the companies could have their letters addressed to persons connected with the business, but not known to the public as being thus connected. Still, a part of the President's recommendations could, doubtless be made effective. But why recommend only statue law, why not especially make an amendment to the National Constitution, forbidding the lottery business wherever the United States has jurisdiction. Earnest efforts should also be made to secure the co-operation of other governments against the lottery evil, especially those of lands adjoining ours and of lands near our own. E. I. F. Bates of Interest on Mortgage Loans. Edltora Indiana Farmer: I have been watching the discussion in the newspapers with a good deal of interest as to rates of interest now charged on time_ans secured by mortgages on farm and residence property, to ascertain whether we borrowers were getting money more cheaply than we were 10 years ago. I have made some investigations of the records, and I find the rates charged by the foreign corporations are about the same for the past 10 years; but to secure a loan from these foreign companies we are compelled to pay their agent a commission or fee to get it, equal to fully one per cent per annum, for the length of time the loan has to run, say three to five years. Their fee is taken out of the amount for which the mortgage is drawn, and we pay interest on this amount annually for the three or five years, which increases our expense nearly one half in getting the loan from them, or makes the rates one and one-half per cent more than the rates written in the mortgage, or if the mortgage is written with privilege of prepayment, and is paid in one or two years, the rate and commissionaddedtogether makes the actual cost from 10 tol2 per cent, for the short time; and one must keop the loan the full five years to get it at seven per cent or eight per cent. I find that as yet the foreign companies hold but a small per cent of the loans of less than §2000, and I will give you the benefit of my investigations as to private loans at some future time. A Borrower for the past 20 years. A Specimen of Extraordinary Aori- culture.—Soil making, hot water pipes in the soil, and culture under glass at a certain period of the life of the plant, will be essential features of the gardening of the future. They will finally dissipate the childish fears as to the impossibility of satisfying the needs of a rapidly-increasing population; and they will permit man always to have fresh from the soil, the bush, or the tree, most of them what is necessary for his life. That is not a ' dream of futurity; it is becoming a fact of modern life. Indeed, nothing can be more instructive on this account than a visit to the islands of Jersey and Guernsey, such as I recently made. It gives one a concrete idea of what the world is rapidly coming to in the way of culture under glass. The island of Guernsey has to nourish 1,300 souls on each square mile, and has a good deal of unproductive soil. Guernsey, like the suburbs of Paris, is a land of market gardening, which has developed of late into greenhouse culture. All over the island, especially in the north, where- ever you look, you see greenhouses. They rise amid the fields and from behind the trees; they are piled upon one another on the steep slopes of the hills facing the harbor. The origin of this new departure was the raising of grapes, which was started some thirty years ago, by a few enterprising men. At present, Guernsey, exports every year about 500 tons of grapes, which represent a money value of §215,000, at the low average price of 18 cents a pound. However—that is the chief point—grapes are no longer the most important crop of the Guernsey aud Jersey greenhouses. And when I walked through these glass-roofed kitchen gardens, which do not know what failure means, and which yield crop after crop thoroughout the spring, summer, and Autumn, I could not but admire the recent conquests of man. I saw three- fourths of an acre, covered with glass and heated for three months in the spring, yielding about 8 tons of tomatoes and about 200 pounds of beans as a first crop in April and May, to be followed by two crops more during the summer and autumn. As to the results, I cannot better characterize them than quoting what Mr. W. Bear, the well-known writer upon English agriculture, wrote after a visit to the same establishment: namely, that the money returns from these thirteen acres "greatly exceed those of an ordinary English farm of 1,300 acres." The last year's crops were: 25 tons of grapes (which are cut from the first of May till October), 80 tons of tomatoes, 30 tons of pot- *§) atoes, 0 tons of peas, and two tons of beans (the last three in April), to say nothing of other subsidiary crops.—Prince Kropotkin in the August Forum. _ ■*-
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Title | Indiana farmer, 1890, v. 25, no. 33 (Aug. 16) |
Purdue Identification Number | INFA2533 |
Date of Original | 1890 |
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Agriculture Farm management Horticulture Agricultural machinery |
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agriculture farm management horticulture agricultural machinery and equipment |
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Agriculture Farm management Horticulture Agricultural machinery |
Subjects (NALT) |
agriculture farm management horticulture agricultural machinery and equipment |
Genre | Periodical |
Call Number of Original | 630.5 In2 |
Location of Original | Hicks Repository |
Coverage | Indiana |
Type | text |
Format | JP2 |
Language | eng |
Collection Title | Indiana Farmer |
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Transcript | BT JOHN M. STAHL. I must confess that I did not know until an hour ago that Dr. Robinson is a hu: morist. But his letter in the Farmer of July 20tli shows him to be a very funny man. I do not begrudge your readers their quiet smiles as they seo the Dr. with coat and collar off, bathed in perspiration setting up straw men of his own making and then throwing big chunks of rhetoric at them, and when he has knocked them over exclaiming, "Stahl made those things and I havo laid them out with the voice of the people, for I am the apostle of popular opinion!" When one of my sentences gets in his way the Dr. proceeds to throw around it. I did say that salaries too small may be an evil and that insufficient compensation will bring poor service. The Dr. does not disprove these propositions, he does not even deny them; will he deny and dis prove them ? If, as the Dr. says, tho tax payer can not imagine a salary too small, the tax payer's imagination is certainly as poor as the Dr.'s is great. But I fear this assertion of the Dr. is an exaggeration, something to which he is prone. . The Dr. admits that my proposition that often the best man cannot take an oflice is true. I said often; the Dr. Bays in many instances. What is he lighting about? He goes on to say that it is his observation that the poorest men fill county offices best. I am not certain that this will bo true in all cases; but I am of the opin ion that the average of the honesty of poor men is above that of rich men. In my ar- ticles I said nothing against the honesty of poor men. In fact, I argued that salaries should be so large that poor and honest men could take offices, in preference to their going to the rich or to the dishonest who would misuse the offices for financial gain. Hence I would like to know what the Dr. Is throwing at. It can be only one of his straw men. The Dr. asserts the honesty of farmers elected to office. Good. But I wrote nothing against the honesty of farmers. Again, what can the Dr. be throwing at? Only one of the straw men he has set up. Great fun, isn't it. Dr? Straw men are knocked over so easily. Because I said the best lawyers easily have an income of §50,000 per year, the Dr. puts a threat on his handsome countenance and asks severely if he is to understand that I mean all lawyers that make §50,000 per year do it because they possess a greater amount of legal talent than the judges of the Supreme Court? Why, no, Dr; you are not to understand any such thing. I said nothing of the sort and nothing of the sort can be logically deduced from what I did say. Another of your straw men. In answer to your question, Dr., who the lawyers are going to serve best, those that pay them a high salary and watch them closely, or those who pay them a low salary and don't watch |them at all, I say they will serve the first named best, and I say that in my articles, and because they would serve best those that paid best, I wanted the people to pay them better. Are you prepared to maintain that they will serve best those that pay them the least. If you are not prepared to maintain this, what are you throwing at? Not even a straw man. I say that the corporations pay for the best legal talent and get it; you dispute this point blankj and seek to give the impression that corporations employ mediocre attorneys. I am perfectly willing to leave this to be decided by the records of suits in which corporations appear on one side and the people on the other, and by the good sense, general intelligence and special knowledge of fees or salaries paid rporation attorneys, possessed by our readers. You say the people ask high salaried officials to take less money, unless the services rendered are equivalent to the salary received. Well, that agrees perfectly with what I said. What are you throwing at, Dr., another straw man? But it is needless for me to go farther with this, and space forbids. Let me say to the Dr., however, that he may be right in his assertion that what I have written does not accord with public sentiment at this time. I did not write to please the clamor in certain quarters, nor to win applause. I wrote sincerely and honestly, and wrote what I believed to be true, and I did not hesitate to put it into print. Quite often what I have said has been denounced at the time, but time has vindicated me in every case. I do not hesitate to assert, what I asserted in my articles, that nearly all ofthe multitudinous minor offices carry salaries too largo, while some of the comparatively very few high official positions carry salaries too small; and that the people lose in both cases. In conclusion the Dr. says my plan of beginning the work of reform at home, working from the bottom toward the top, is impracticable. He believes in beginning at the top. On this point of difference I am content to rest upon the experience of mankind. The readers of history will decide in my favor. A discussion of taxes and salaries will do much good, while a personal passage of arms can hardly be of interest or value if continued. Hence, while holding myself free to discuss taxes and salaries, in the matter of a personal controversy the Dr. may now have the field all to himself. Quincy, 111. a m ■ Willammette Valley, Oregon. Editors Indiana Farmer: Thinking that a few lines from the Willammette Valley, Oregon, might be appreciated by your readers, with your permission I will try and give them a few items. The Willammette Valley is the longest and most productive valley on the Pacific coast between Mexico and British Columbia. The products are various, including wheat, oats, barley and rye. All these grow to perfection; nowhere have we ever seen the berry so large and plump. A shrunken or uneven grain is never found. That is accounted for upon the fact that we have cool damp weather for our grain to fully mature and ripen; about the time harvest commences rains cease and we never have any wheat become bleached or damaged. All our wheat is graded No. 1. No No. 2 wheat is ever raised in this valley. The average yield is about 20 bushels while many good farmers get 30 to 40 bushels per acre. As a fruit growing country the Willammette Valley is nowhere equaled. This is attested by many of our large grain farms being cut up and sold to fruit growers, many men who have been engaged in fruit growing in California are now coming to this valley where a superior fruit, both in size and quality can be produced. . Oregon's natural resources are unbounded. The coal, iron and lumber of themselves will make of Oregon one of the foremost States in the union. The mountains abound in the precious metals and new mines are constantly being opened*. This valley is a good stock country. Our mild winters require but little extra feed and almost every"farm is well watered with fine mountain streams and stock is usually freo from disease. We have insects of no kind to destroy crops, and they never fail in this valley to grow a crop every year. Men who are seeking a mild, healthful climate will find any port of the Willammette Valley a good place to come to. Yet men in the East who are doing well had better be slow in making a change as this is not a paradise altogether, as some would have you believe. . E. C. Minton. Salem, Oregon, July 3rd. Keep an Account. Editors Indiana Farmer: Everybody should keep an accountbook, and note down important events, especially money paid on notes, or otherwise. Keep a handy day book to note down minor payments, and one especially for larger sums. It would often save much trouble. I know of a rather distressing case happening lately. There was a settlement of heirs a few years ago. All seemed to be settled satisfactorily. Lately, for some cause, one of the heirs is accused of owing a note of $100, and it was hinted that he made away with the note, though he is sure the note was paid fifteen or more years ago, and can prove it by one witness. Still, how consoling it would be if the accused could produce a neat account book, with a plain and complete statement of facts. He would feel compensated for the time spent in putting down accounts for a score of years. Farmers, keep an account of important transactions with everybooy, especially with relations; it will often save much trouble. Ripley Co. J. B. —We want to add our endorsement to friend Rennet's plea. It is an easy thing to jot down items of expense, agreements, appointments, etc., in a pocket memorandum, and any one who has kept such a book from year to year will testify to the fact that it pays many times over for the little time and trouble. We have kept one for many years, and it has been a great satisfaction to us in many ways.— [J. G. K.] Abolish the Lottery Business. Editors Indiana Farmer: In his message of July 29th, 1890, to Congress, the President says: "Severe and effective legislation should be promptly enacted to enable the post office department to purge the mails of all letters, newspapers and circulars relating to the business of lotteries. But how could the department, or rather the various postmasters, learn just what letters related to the lottery business? Would the law have to allow the opening of letters? If so, a vast number not relating to the business would necessarily be opened. But people would not submit to this—Letters addressed to lottery companies as such could easijy be known of course and be sent to the dead letter office, but the companies could have their letters addressed to persons connected with the business, but not known to the public as being thus connected. Still, a part of the President's recommendations could, doubtless be made effective. But why recommend only statue law, why not especially make an amendment to the National Constitution, forbidding the lottery business wherever the United States has jurisdiction. Earnest efforts should also be made to secure the co-operation of other governments against the lottery evil, especially those of lands adjoining ours and of lands near our own. E. I. F. Bates of Interest on Mortgage Loans. Edltora Indiana Farmer: I have been watching the discussion in the newspapers with a good deal of interest as to rates of interest now charged on time_ans secured by mortgages on farm and residence property, to ascertain whether we borrowers were getting money more cheaply than we were 10 years ago. I have made some investigations of the records, and I find the rates charged by the foreign corporations are about the same for the past 10 years; but to secure a loan from these foreign companies we are compelled to pay their agent a commission or fee to get it, equal to fully one per cent per annum, for the length of time the loan has to run, say three to five years. Their fee is taken out of the amount for which the mortgage is drawn, and we pay interest on this amount annually for the three or five years, which increases our expense nearly one half in getting the loan from them, or makes the rates one and one-half per cent more than the rates written in the mortgage, or if the mortgage is written with privilege of prepayment, and is paid in one or two years, the rate and commissionaddedtogether makes the actual cost from 10 tol2 per cent, for the short time; and one must keop the loan the full five years to get it at seven per cent or eight per cent. I find that as yet the foreign companies hold but a small per cent of the loans of less than §2000, and I will give you the benefit of my investigations as to private loans at some future time. A Borrower for the past 20 years. A Specimen of Extraordinary Aori- culture.—Soil making, hot water pipes in the soil, and culture under glass at a certain period of the life of the plant, will be essential features of the gardening of the future. They will finally dissipate the childish fears as to the impossibility of satisfying the needs of a rapidly-increasing population; and they will permit man always to have fresh from the soil, the bush, or the tree, most of them what is necessary for his life. That is not a ' dream of futurity; it is becoming a fact of modern life. Indeed, nothing can be more instructive on this account than a visit to the islands of Jersey and Guernsey, such as I recently made. It gives one a concrete idea of what the world is rapidly coming to in the way of culture under glass. The island of Guernsey has to nourish 1,300 souls on each square mile, and has a good deal of unproductive soil. Guernsey, like the suburbs of Paris, is a land of market gardening, which has developed of late into greenhouse culture. All over the island, especially in the north, where- ever you look, you see greenhouses. They rise amid the fields and from behind the trees; they are piled upon one another on the steep slopes of the hills facing the harbor. The origin of this new departure was the raising of grapes, which was started some thirty years ago, by a few enterprising men. At present, Guernsey, exports every year about 500 tons of grapes, which represent a money value of §215,000, at the low average price of 18 cents a pound. However—that is the chief point—grapes are no longer the most important crop of the Guernsey aud Jersey greenhouses. And when I walked through these glass-roofed kitchen gardens, which do not know what failure means, and which yield crop after crop thoroughout the spring, summer, and Autumn, I could not but admire the recent conquests of man. I saw three- fourths of an acre, covered with glass and heated for three months in the spring, yielding about 8 tons of tomatoes and about 200 pounds of beans as a first crop in April and May, to be followed by two crops more during the summer and autumn. As to the results, I cannot better characterize them than quoting what Mr. W. Bear, the well-known writer upon English agriculture, wrote after a visit to the same establishment: namely, that the money returns from these thirteen acres "greatly exceed those of an ordinary English farm of 1,300 acres." The last year's crops were: 25 tons of grapes (which are cut from the first of May till October), 80 tons of tomatoes, 30 tons of pot- *§) atoes, 0 tons of peas, and two tons of beans (the last three in April), to say nothing of other subsidiary crops.—Prince Kropotkin in the August Forum. _ ■*- |
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